(Sarah's entire submission is presented above as the main quote. -- R.C.C. - GM Game One.)
(A seperate submission by Troy Bugos - added to this move. -- R. C. C. - GM Game One)
Salvador Dali's "Crucifiction" (or "Corpus Hypercubus") is about the boldest
statement concerning inside/outside that I've ever
ran across. The idea of sides-- both in and out is
visually represented perfectly.
Note: Christ only 'blocks' one side of the 'doorway' to the afterlife/truth-- that side is
of course the one which Mary is looking at. I submitted the piece thinking along the line that we
are on the outside; Christ blocks the way to the inside; also, it just went along with the idea of
-- Troy Bugos
Yes, Christ "blocks" the center square, but only when looking at it from one angle, side or perspective.
-- Follow Up to Troy by Robert C. Cohen
-- Follow Up by Robert C. Cohen:
Only in certain
(Christian) faiths does a symbol (like the cross) seperate those
inside the family of god from those outside.
Symbols certainly are used to
distinguish those inside of a particular faith.
Members of that faith may believe that only they are inside
the family of God.
I think everything is within
"the family of God" or the devine. If God is all (a whole) then everything is
within God. Jesus taught that the kingdom of heaven is here now within all things and everyone. There is manifestation and diversity but on another level everything is connected and one. This teaching is the essence of mystical experience. David Bohm illustrated in many of his works, the ways that quantum physics can reveal that there is a universe of distinctions and on another level a universe of unity.
What happens in the world when different people
agree and disagree about what consitites inclusion and
exclusion? What does human "opinion" have to do with defining "insides" and "outsides?" Are "insides and outsides" created by our words, symbols, points of view, our marks of distinction? What does human opinion have to do with
any sort of (devine) reality? If we are part of the whole then don't our thoughts and actions manifest divinity?"
-- Follow Up by Flan Anderson:
When examining the symbolisom of the cross, one must not over look it's historical
signifigance. As a Roman means of torture and humiliation it takes on additional signifigance as a
deturant to anything other than the "modes operendem". In this light, the symbolism of the cross
and its Christian heritage may be seen not only as a bridge between life and death, but also as a
life affirming commitment to being open to God's will for change.
-- Follow Up to Flan Anderson by Robert C. Cohen:
As best I can figure it, what you are saying is:
From a limited or specific point of view Jesus committed himself to following God's will for change and suffered. But from a larger or
different perspective his actions created assention for himself and humanity and therefore is life affirming.
(The assignation of "assention" or some other
unstated positive is the only way I could see
you meaning that crucifixion is life affirming.)
Is that accurate?
This is very interesting. Following God, or one's
bliss, or just trying to make the best choices in
life is often tricky and what appears to be negative
within one (brief) context is often very different
when viewed from a much
broader (or more lengthy) context.
(Time being one of the biggest factors in
seeing full context.)
-- Follow Up by Basho:
A connection to Frazier's the Golden Bough:
Some of the main themes explored in the book
include The Tree (cross) and The Sacrifice of the
King as manifest in world mythology. While Frazier
does not link this with Christian symbolism, I think
that the parallels are obvious. Perhaps the reason
that Christian symbolism has deep meaning for indiviuals
is that it represents Jungian archetypes in our Psyches.
Richard Bach's "Illusions"
The Who's "Tommy"
Robert Heinlin's "Stranger in a Strange Land"
Follow Up by Rose:
The symbol of the crucifixion is Love. The
Love of God for His creations - us - lead
by Jesus, who is our Brother, who demonstra
ted that we can overcome the body, that this
body does not matter even in its extreme assault. That Life like Love, is forever. And
this is what we are.
Follow Up by HAWK:
Take first the shape of the cross. It stands tall and errect (strength- power, throat chakra). It also
extends itself outward (giving-receiving, crown chakra). Symbolic of the cleansed and properly
used power centers within each of us.
Where does this leave us? Each religeon has had their own form of the cross and each has so many
different meanings of said crosses. It affirms all and negates all, depending on the perspective
being used at the time. Can one lock it to just one meaning, I think not. May you be blessed in
the space that is not a space, and protected in time that is not time... WITH UNCONDITIONAL
"Substance" - Played by KIn
Added as a follow up.
"What are we made of except opinions?"